Perhaps the shared codebase is the problem here? Insisting on anything else, because companies don't want to put in the work to have an independent engine is just dancing around the issue. They're still supporting browser monoculture, #Google ultimately has the engineering resources to make it difficult to sync with upstream, they also control extensions/the store.
Ultimately, there's not even a need to start from scratch on a new engine, #Servo is pretty far along and having even minimal resources invested into it from outside #Mozilla / #Samsung would surely help it towards a 1.0 much sooner.
If these companies are willing to work with Google, why not Mozilla?
I realize, it would be more work to get Servo production ready in the short term, but would maintaining a fork of Blink be so much easier as similar user-hostile changes pile up upstream?
@MatejLach personally I can't wait until servo can be easily integrated in minimalist keyboard focused type browsers... A luakit, vimb or qutebrowser on top of servo would be awesome.
@succfemboi That's the path they decided to take in order for #Firefox to start seeing the Rust improvements quickly, since finishing Servo & replacing Gecko as a whole would probably take many more years and they basically wanted to see the benefits of their investment in #rustlang ASAP.
But if more companies invested resources into getting Servo to the finish line, there's no reason why it couldn't be used as a replacement engine. It's only experimental, due to the small manpower it has now.
@MatejLach does mozilla want this though? iirc, servo is their playground where they can try new things (like webAR). And getting production users into the project would make these experiments more difficult :/
Mozilla does however offer an easily-embeddable version of Firefox's engine (Gecko) for Android, called GeckoView:
@zalandocalrissian That's a good point, am not sure if #Mozilla would want that, (however they could always have multiple channels, where experimental features only reach stable once no longer experimental).
One thing I do know; nobody wants to build anything new on #Gecko, fairly or not. Hence I feel collaborating on Servo would have the best chance vs the Blink monopoly, (and WebKit is too similar to be considered meaningfully different + controlled by another corporate entity, #Apple.)
Multiple channels would bind resources though. Iirc, mozilla's long term goal is not to replace gecko with servo, but to integrate servo's good/mature parts into gecko. (quantum CSS already landed/webrender is on the way https://mozillagfx.wordpress.com/2019/05/21/graphics-team-ships-webrender-mvp/ ) While gecko doesn't have the riir/hipster pull factor of servo, it's on par with chrome's performance, and actually faster than servo for many scenarios, because some parts of servo aren't really optimized.
@zalandocalrissian @MatejLach Mozilla as a whole suffers from inconsistent leadership w/ ill-defined goals. they keep changing the plans of these projects & shuffling developers around, b/c that's what executives do to justify their salaries
that is to say: don't confuse Mozilla's plans with what the developers would rather be doing, or what's ultimately worthwhile
@MatejLach I guess the answer is, Blink is a known beast, whatever problem you have with it, you won't be on your own. Servo is completely new.
@MatejLach Part of the problem is that some of the sites want to be found by google - and make their sites compatible for google search bots. Google dominates most of the webpage coding I understand.
non vegan monkey trap metaphor
the whole tech "ecosystem" is like that (rather non-PC and zoologically incorrect) tale about the "monkey trap", where the monkey won't let go of the rice and is knocked on the head and eaten (or course monkeys are way smarter than this or they would have gone extinct decades ago).
it seems none of the tech companies want to do anything that could even slightly threaten neoliberal capitalism..
@MatejLach I would gladly donate to an upstart web engine. Which I suppose means I should donate to Mozilla...
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