@jerry @Aaron what we really need is a way to securely send e-mail.

People will continue to send e-mail. There is no way this goes away antime soon. People will send sensitive stuff via e-mail.

We can spend time discussing just how exactly people should not use e-mail, or we can build a system that works.

I like the ideas behind PEP and AutoCrypt. I'd like to see them implemented in more clients.

@rysiek @Aaron I’m all for something that works and is usable. I can’t help but think that we need to take a step back and put some focus on designing the successor to smtp mail, rather than continuing to try to keep adding parts to Frankenstein.

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I have a feeling that right now, SMTP has the biggest adoption of all federated messagning protocols, and the second place is far far behind. Of all the new communication protocols I've seen recently, they're either popular, or federated, not both. And trying to get your new protocol adopted not just by people for their private communications, but also by companies, govts, and orgs for their internal and external communication is going to be extremely hard.

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@Wolf480pl @jerry @rysiek @Aaron@boringpeople.org I feel like just one "killer" app would speed the adoption quite a bit. Like if Slack was federated similarly to Matrix.org - people would just use Slack and in the process prop up the new protocol. Like most people don't realize they're using federation when they email someone on a different provider, but they do. Problem is, email's primary incentive wasn't profit, in this VC-funded age it is, so Slack has no incentive to adopt an open, federated protocol.

@MatejLach @Wolf480pl @jerry @Aaron we already have something similar to slack that federates like Matrix.

It's called Matrix.

@rysiek @Wolf480pl @jerry @Aaron@boringpeople.org Now we just need to throw some serious marketing money at it :-)

@rysiek @Wolf480pl @jerry @Aaron@boringpeople.org On a serious note, the company I work at is very found of Slack, I'm going to try to convince them to adopt Matrix at our next company meeting and report back. If we all do this, we could make a difference.

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